Friday, August 17, 2007

Kill the Gays: A Comment from a Fundamentalist Priest

A few posts ago, we discussed the culpability of clergy and so-called Christian bloggers in relation to gay bashings, and that the blood of all victims of gay bashing was on their hands. We received a comment to this post from an individual who is not only one of these clergy, but a blogger himself, and his comments were as inflammatory and gay-hating as you can get. I thought I'd go ahead and post it here, while at the same time answering some of the faulty logic inherent in this clergy’s misuse of the Bible.


That first comment, that “Terry Mark Mangum was right,” refers to a few weeks ago when Terry Mark Mangum murdered Ken Cummings, a gay man, and said God told him to kill a homosexual. So, by agreeing with the gay-killer, we're already we’re dealing with a sick clergy person:


"Terry Mark Mangum was right."
Okay, "Reverend," starting things of with this comment shows you for what you really are, a sick, warped person, who doesn't deserve to wear a collar, but a leash.


"The Bible is clear that homosexuals are sexual deviants and enemies of the LORD God. Your support of these sodomites is disgusting."
Actually, the Bible is NOT clear on homosexuals being deviants, and we'll get to that below. To call us enemies of God is laughable, as the majority of gays and lesbians I know are regular church/temple attendees, and support and volunteer time at their houses of worship. We are not "sodomites," but you are, and I suggest you read our piece on Sodom and Gomorrah to show you that you are the sodomite, not us. If the support of my people disgusts you, then I must be doing a good job, thanks!


"Whatever you think, you will not be able to change God's Word and will one day have to pay the price for not believing what God has written."
Firstly, I'm really hoping you don't believe that a few thousand years ago God whipped out his MAC, and actually wrote the bible him/herself while listening to illegally downloaded Madonna tunes. Honey, people have been changing "God's Word" since it was spoken through the human mouth. Sadly, the human mouth is not perfect, and brings with it filters of human experience that can misconstrue, distort, and misrepresent God's initial meaning.

Reverend Don, you and people like you DO NOT represent the Bible, nor Christianity, and the majority of people do not believe the Bible is static, but believe in a "Living Word," one that breaths, and grows, and changes with its ever-changing environment and time frame. As an alleged man of the cloth, you should well know that the Bible was heavily edited during the Council of Nicea, with some Gospels actually tossed out entirely, so don't feed us crap about changing God's word, when people like yourself have been doing it for millennium to continue the subjugation of people who are "not like you."


Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Ah, yes, start with Leviticus. Really, Don, put things in their contexts. Leviticus was written by the early Pharisees to separate the new nation of Israel from the philistines and other gentiles. The items delineated in Leviticus are not "sin," but are merely ritualistic Judaic "law." Because many of the gentile religions allowed male and female prostitution, which included male-male prostitution, the early Jewish elders wanted to set themselves apart from this, and that's why this "law" was enacted.

And you're just sick if you believe that the Leviticus laws hold today, and that gays should be executed. Unless you're Jewish, Reverend Don, why would you care about Judaic ritualistic law? Some of these ritualistic laws in Leviticus are downright stupid in today's world, like not touching anything of the pig (unclean), cursing your parents (punishable by death), or eating shellfish (same as being gay, an abomination). So, unless you've never played pigskin football or eaten bacon, never got mad at your parents, or never ate at a Red Lobster, then you have no right to make reference to Leviticus.

Romans 1:22-27
V22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, V23 And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Reverend, this sounds more like you than we!

V24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves.
This reference, again, is to prostitution, not being gay.

V25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, Who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Sounds to me like you're worshiping the Bible more than God, reverend.

V26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature. (V27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Hmmm, should that have been spelled "meat?" Either way, most academics read the passage as a condemnation merely of well-known pagan cults, which included homosexual acts in their worship practices, and not of gays in general. What is behind this passage is that God doesn't like when people, gay or straight, run around having tons of sex because they're in love with sex, which is lust, but that the God given gift of sexual contact between two people who love each other, gay or straight, is a wonderful thing.

I'll leave this, Reverend, by saying that we'll pray for you, that you will turn from this path of hatred, which goes so against the tenets of a loving God. We are initiating a fundamentalist reparative therapy group, and we can give you contacts of people who have turned away from the path you're on, and who have successfully become ex-fundamentalist.

For those of you who’d like to send Reverend Don an email, his email address is Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com (wow, go figure!).

1 comment:

Anonymous said...

I'm sure this reverend man (should such a title be given to a such a "person"?) fully knows the history of the bible...

-that compilation, editing, order of documents does not alter one's view of the content, surely.
-that, as you so aptly said, God whipped out his Mac (he/she has the same model as I) and wrote the Bible while listening to Madonna... in one sitting-- we should not underestimate God's writing abilities (never mind the temporal incongruencies in the Bible).
-that he has actually read all the books in the bible in their original language and even more, the original books and not any of the copies. even more, we should trust that not only does he understand and know all the subtleties in the original languages (which judging by his mastery of English, he does not... but who am I to say?), but also all the subtleties of God's mind... He must be the most admirable person in the world... such immense understanding!

It is people like this man and like his followers that make Hitler, Pol Pot, etc. possible. If hell does exist... well, need I finish this sentence?